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	<title>Comments on: Conclusion: Can a Christian Be a Christian without the Local Church?</title>
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		<title>By: WheresMyAngels</title>
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		<dc:creator>WheresMyAngels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 04:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful way to look at it. I moved away from my home town 16 years ago. I had went to the same church all my life. an old country church, where everyone was very close.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I moved away and work every Sunday. Make&#039;s it hard to go to church. I got a new individual to care for and she had a regular church. So my family and I have joined it. It is too big for my taste, but we feel comfortable in it. I feel I do better with church in my life. I do need to build some relationships there as I still have not done that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful way to look at it. I moved away from my home town 16 years ago. I had went to the same church all my life. an old country church, where everyone was very close.</p>
<p>I moved away and work every Sunday. Make&#8217;s it hard to go to church. I got a new individual to care for and she had a regular church. So my family and I have joined it. It is too big for my taste, but we feel comfortable in it. I feel I do better with church in my life. I do need to build some relationships there as I still have not done that.</p>
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		<title>By: Iva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here I was, looking forward to your conclusion, and I didn&#039;t even get around to reading it when you posted it.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think, oftentimes there are people who feel that the church - the physical brick-and-mortar church - is their salvation.  When they put the church on a pedestal, they are heartbroken when it falls.  Of course it&#039;s going to fall!  The church is filled with sinners.  Even those in position who are called by God to lead are sinners.  Being a Christian doesn&#039;t automatically make us &#039;used to be&#039; sinners.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;When we put Salvation where it really belongs, we can use the church for how it&#039;s meant to be - fellowship with others and outreach.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have to comment on the &#039;one size fits all&#039; version of Christianity.  I&#039;ve ran across a comment about it twice this morning, so I&#039;m thinkin&#039; God is talking to me.  I&#039;ll share - take it for what it&#039;s worth.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The lesson in Sunday school this week (July 27th) is &#039;What Will Heaven Look Like?&#039;  In the lesson, the author cites Rev. 21:22-27 where John writes about there being &quot;many nations&quot;.  Many times, I&#039;ve often thought of Heaven as a place that was filled with people like me (obtuse thinking, I know...I&#039;m a work in progress, here).  This lesson showed me (reminded me, really) that Heaven will be filled with people from many nations with many different talents.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So, if Heaven is going to be this wonderfully, diverse place - should the physical world in which we live now be just a diverse?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Of course it should!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here I was, looking forward to your conclusion, and I didn&#8217;t even get around to reading it when you posted it.</p>
<p>I think, oftentimes there are people who feel that the church &#8211; the physical brick-and-mortar church &#8211; is their salvation.  When they put the church on a pedestal, they are heartbroken when it falls.  Of course it&#8217;s going to fall!  The church is filled with sinners.  Even those in position who are called by God to lead are sinners.  Being a Christian doesn&#8217;t automatically make us &#8216;used to be&#8217; sinners.  </p>
<p>When we put Salvation where it really belongs, we can use the church for how it&#8217;s meant to be &#8211; fellowship with others and outreach.</p>
<p>I have to comment on the &#8216;one size fits all&#8217; version of Christianity.  I&#8217;ve ran across a comment about it twice this morning, so I&#8217;m thinkin&#8217; God is talking to me.  I&#8217;ll share &#8211; take it for what it&#8217;s worth.</p>
<p>The lesson in Sunday school this week (July 27th) is &#8216;What Will Heaven Look Like?&#8217;  In the lesson, the author cites Rev. 21:22-27 where John writes about there being &#8220;many nations&#8221;.  Many times, I&#8217;ve often thought of Heaven as a place that was filled with people like me (obtuse thinking, I know&#8230;I&#8217;m a work in progress, here).  This lesson showed me (reminded me, really) that Heaven will be filled with people from many nations with many different talents.</p>
<p>So, if Heaven is going to be this wonderfully, diverse place &#8211; should the physical world in which we live now be just a diverse?</p>
<p>Of course it should!</p>
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		<title>By: Ronnica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronnica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You all bless me with your comments and discussing this with me.  Of course, I never expected to win everyone over to my point of view simply because I wrote about it.  I appreciate that we can discuss this.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Erin, of course you were right, you know my background.  I hope you&#039;re right about my future as well.  =)  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Irish, sometimes I don&#039;t feel like going to church, and I&#039;m thankful that I have a commitment to go because of my responsibilities.  It&#039;s definitely hard to get up and go in her hectic schedules.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Cara, you said, &quot;I think finding the right church, with the right atmosphere and the right people can meet a lot of needs.&quot;  True, but I don&#039;t think that there always is a just right church.  No church is perfect, and no one is going to agree with everything that is taught or done in the church.  I think it is important to get involved in a church regardless, knowing that it is imperfect from the get go if I&#039;m involved.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Alissa, Lutheran and Church of Christ?  Yeah, I can see how each of you would be comfortable in different churches.  Kudos on not giving up, though.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Apple, your comment about no one throwing you in a puddle made me laugh.  You also said, &quot;If you stop seeing people as individuals and just start seeing them as another head in the pew, you lose them.&quot;  Oh, definitely.  That&#039;s why it&#039;s important to remember the analogy of the body, we all have different roles and functions within the body, but they&#039;re all needed!  I don&#039;t agree, though, that church is &quot;just a hub where Christians can go to be in touch with each other.&quot;  I believe that the church is a special creation of God, though it by no means is the only way to meet with God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You all bless me with your comments and discussing this with me.  Of course, I never expected to win everyone over to my point of view simply because I wrote about it.  I appreciate that we can discuss this.</p>
<p>Erin, of course you were right, you know my background.  I hope you&#8217;re right about my future as well.  =)  </p>
<p>Irish, sometimes I don&#8217;t feel like going to church, and I&#8217;m thankful that I have a commitment to go because of my responsibilities.  It&#8217;s definitely hard to get up and go in her hectic schedules.</p>
<p>Cara, you said, &#8220;I think finding the right church, with the right atmosphere and the right people can meet a lot of needs.&#8221;  True, but I don&#8217;t think that there always is a just right church.  No church is perfect, and no one is going to agree with everything that is taught or done in the church.  I think it is important to get involved in a church regardless, knowing that it is imperfect from the get go if I&#8217;m involved.</p>
<p>Alissa, Lutheran and Church of Christ?  Yeah, I can see how each of you would be comfortable in different churches.  Kudos on not giving up, though.</p>
<p>Apple, your comment about no one throwing you in a puddle made me laugh.  You also said, &#8220;If you stop seeing people as individuals and just start seeing them as another head in the pew, you lose them.&#8221;  Oh, definitely.  That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s important to remember the analogy of the body, we all have different roles and functions within the body, but they&#8217;re all needed!  I don&#8217;t agree, though, that church is &#8220;just a hub where Christians can go to be in touch with each other.&#8221;  I believe that the church is a special creation of God, though it by no means is the only way to meet with God.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As always, and interesting, well-thought out post.  Nice job!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As always, and interesting, well-thought out post.  Nice job!</p>
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		<title>By: Apple Joos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Apple Joos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Cara Starr. As someone who was not raised Christian and who was Wiccan throughout college, only to come to Christianity on my own (as in, no one preached at me, beat me over the head with a Bible or tossed me in the nearest puddle of water for an involuntary baptism), I have seen that one of the major things that turns people away from Christianity is the &quot;One size fits all&quot; mentality. While in an ideal world, it would appeal to everyone all the time, but God himself made us all so different that you would be ignoring HIS design if you didn&#039;t acknowledge that we all need different things at different times in our lives. If you stop seeing people as individuals and just start seeing them as another head in the pew, you lose them. That said, I go to church. I&#039;m not really pleased with the church I&#039;m going to but God has me there right now for a reason. I was specifically told to go to this church and that&#039;s where I&#039;ll stay until I get message otherwise. I don&#039;t know what His plan is but I know it&#039;s going to be beautiful. Until then, I just wait. But at the same time, I respect other people&#039;s right to steer clear of the drama, stress, intrusion, fake-ness and hypocrisy of just about every church there is. Let&#039;s face it. When you get HUMANS together, regardless of their religious affiliation, you have those aspects because we ARE human and we ARE imperfect. I have days when being around other people stirs the emotions in me that take me further from God so it&#039;s healthier for me to go somewhere where I can just be with God. Me and him. I think a church is no different from a mall. You go to get what you want, maybe browse around at what the other places have, see where you might want to &quot;shop&quot; and then you go home. God is everywhere and a church is just a hub where Christians can go to be in touch with each other, but it&#039;s not the only (or even the best) way to be in touch with God. If that is your goal, you do not need a church, you just need to start talking and trust that He&#039;s listening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Cara Starr. As someone who was not raised Christian and who was Wiccan throughout college, only to come to Christianity on my own (as in, no one preached at me, beat me over the head with a Bible or tossed me in the nearest puddle of water for an involuntary baptism), I have seen that one of the major things that turns people away from Christianity is the &#8220;One size fits all&#8221; mentality. While in an ideal world, it would appeal to everyone all the time, but God himself made us all so different that you would be ignoring HIS design if you didn&#8217;t acknowledge that we all need different things at different times in our lives. If you stop seeing people as individuals and just start seeing them as another head in the pew, you lose them. That said, I go to church. I&#8217;m not really pleased with the church I&#8217;m going to but God has me there right now for a reason. I was specifically told to go to this church and that&#8217;s where I&#8217;ll stay until I get message otherwise. I don&#8217;t know what His plan is but I know it&#8217;s going to be beautiful. Until then, I just wait. But at the same time, I respect other people&#8217;s right to steer clear of the drama, stress, intrusion, fake-ness and hypocrisy of just about every church there is. Let&#8217;s face it. When you get HUMANS together, regardless of their religious affiliation, you have those aspects because we ARE human and we ARE imperfect. I have days when being around other people stirs the emotions in me that take me further from God so it&#8217;s healthier for me to go somewhere where I can just be with God. Me and him. I think a church is no different from a mall. You go to get what you want, maybe browse around at what the other places have, see where you might want to &#8220;shop&#8221; and then you go home. God is everywhere and a church is just a hub where Christians can go to be in touch with each other, but it&#8217;s not the only (or even the best) way to be in touch with God. If that is your goal, you do not need a church, you just need to start talking and trust that He&#8217;s listening.</p>
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		<title>By: alissasanderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>alissasanderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The difficult part for me is finding a church where I feel at home.  Andy and I have attended several churches over many years in this town, and none feel like a fit.  I was raised Lutheran, and Andy was raised Church of Christ, and we&#039;ve not found a place we can attend as a family and both feel comfortable.  At this point  we read the bible and sometimes discuss it, pray, and teach our children what they are curious about, and hope that soon we&#039;ll stumble upon a place we like</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The difficult part for me is finding a church where I feel at home.  Andy and I have attended several churches over many years in this town, and none feel like a fit.  I was raised Lutheran, and Andy was raised Church of Christ, and we&#8217;ve not found a place we can attend as a family and both feel comfortable.  At this point  we read the bible and sometimes discuss it, pray, and teach our children what they are curious about, and hope that soon we&#8217;ll stumble upon a place we like</p>
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		<title>By: Cara Starr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cara Starr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1st- congrats on being a saucy blog. I love your pink flowers. adorable.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;2nd - i grew up in church. My dad is a pastor. I don&#039;t currently attend a church and at times it bothers me. But overall, i don&#039;t feel the obligation to go as something coming from Christ, but rather from the opinion of others. I don&#039;t want to write a book in your comment section. lol. I think finding the right church, with the right atmosphere and the right people can meet a lot of needs. But i don&#039;t believe that is true for everyone - so it&#039;s really hard to say a clear cut - i agree/disagree. It&#039;s a toss up. &lt;br/&gt;Just remember what Keith Green said: &quot;Going to church doesn&#039;t make you a Christian, anymore than going to McDonald&#039;s makes you a hamburger.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1st- congrats on being a saucy blog. I love your pink flowers. adorable.</p>
<p>2nd &#8211; i grew up in church. My dad is a pastor. I don&#8217;t currently attend a church and at times it bothers me. But overall, i don&#8217;t feel the obligation to go as something coming from Christ, but rather from the opinion of others. I don&#8217;t want to write a book in your comment section. lol. I think finding the right church, with the right atmosphere and the right people can meet a lot of needs. But i don&#8217;t believe that is true for everyone &#8211; so it&#8217;s really hard to say a clear cut &#8211; i agree/disagree. It&#8217;s a toss up. <br />Just remember what Keith Green said: &#8220;Going to church doesn&#8217;t make you a Christian, anymore than going to McDonald&#8217;s makes you a hamburger.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Irish Coffeehouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Irish Coffeehouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think church attendance is extremely important.  We really need that for the reasons mentioned in your post but for others also.  Such as: accountability, personal growth, guidance, friendship, to challenge ourselves in all areas from what we do to our opinions, etc.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I can easily flip flop in my church attendance.  It&#039;s hard, so hard sometimes.  Getting four people in the shower, eating breakfast, walking the dog, and stuff and being at church before 8:30 a.m.--seems impossible at times!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I can say without reservation, when I fall into the rut of a &quot;no questions we&#039;ll be there&quot; habit into the habit of &quot;just not this Sunday&quot;- I need a break, we&#039;re out of town, etc.... those are the times when my world really falls apart.  Seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think church attendance is extremely important.  We really need that for the reasons mentioned in your post but for others also.  Such as: accountability, personal growth, guidance, friendship, to challenge ourselves in all areas from what we do to our opinions, etc.  </p>
<p>I can easily flip flop in my church attendance.  It&#8217;s hard, so hard sometimes.  Getting four people in the shower, eating breakfast, walking the dog, and stuff and being at church before 8:30 a.m.&#8211;seems impossible at times!</p>
<p>I can say without reservation, when I fall into the rut of a &#8220;no questions we&#8217;ll be there&#8221; habit into the habit of &#8220;just not this Sunday&#8221;- I need a break, we&#8217;re out of town, etc&#8230;. those are the times when my world really falls apart.  Seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: erinleigh</title>
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		<dc:creator>erinleigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was right...and I love how you clarified the issue to make it neither all one way or the other because just as you said you can certainly follow Jesus without the Church - but you would probably not get very far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was right&#8230;and I love how you clarified the issue to make it neither all one way or the other because just as you said you can certainly follow Jesus without the Church &#8211; but you would probably not get very far.</p>
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		<title>By: ace</title>
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		<dc:creator>ace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like this post.  It made me think, and it was interesting to read your point of view on this issue!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like this post.  It made me think, and it was interesting to read your point of view on this issue!</p>
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