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		<title>By: bettyl</title>
		<link>http://ignoranthistorian.com/2009/09/when-the-government-becomes-the-parent/comment-page-1/#comment-11960</link>
		<dc:creator>bettyl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 23:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When Hubby and I had a long conversation with the local Primary School principal, we got the same thing--we were shown a book of how many hours the school should have classes and then a table of how every minute was accounted for. Of course, that didn&#039;t address our concerns that the classed went swimming three or four days a week in the summer (apparently, it &#039;teaches&#039; them to get along--yeah, right) or that we had to teach both kids their times-tables so they could get their math done. Or make them look up the definitions of spelling words so they could actually use them at some point. 

I don&#039;t know what the answer is, but I&#039;ll know it when I see it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Hubby and I had a long conversation with the local Primary School principal, we got the same thing&#8211;we were shown a book of how many hours the school should have classes and then a table of how every minute was accounted for. Of course, that didn&#8217;t address our concerns that the classed went swimming three or four days a week in the summer (apparently, it &#8216;teaches&#8217; them to get along&#8211;yeah, right) or that we had to teach both kids their times-tables so they could get their math done. Or make them look up the definitions of spelling words so they could actually use them at some point. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what the answer is, but I&#8217;ll know it when I see it.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca is Thrilled by the Thought</title>
		<link>http://ignoranthistorian.com/2009/09/when-the-government-becomes-the-parent/comment-page-1/#comment-11945</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebecca is Thrilled by the Thought</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No way.  It already breaks my heart that in 3 years I&#039;ll be sending my child away from me for hours during the day.  I couldn&#039;t add more hours to that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No way.  It already breaks my heart that in 3 years I&#8217;ll be sending my child away from me for hours during the day.  I couldn&#8217;t add more hours to that.</p>
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		<title>By: hi-d</title>
		<link>http://ignoranthistorian.com/2009/09/when-the-government-becomes-the-parent/comment-page-1/#comment-11938</link>
		<dc:creator>hi-d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 03:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t get to read all of the reply&#039;s, but I can say that I agree with Carrie 100%. And this is why I homeschool my three youngest boys. I enjoy them. I enjoy being with them and learning with them and playing with them. I can&#039;t even imagine having them gone from me for 7-9 hours a day. NO WAY. And the Government needs to butt out. It shouldn&#039;t have another speck of control over us no matter who the president is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t get to read all of the reply&#8217;s, but I can say that I agree with Carrie 100%. And this is why I homeschool my three youngest boys. I enjoy them. I enjoy being with them and learning with them and playing with them. I can&#8217;t even imagine having them gone from me for 7-9 hours a day. NO WAY. And the Government needs to butt out. It shouldn&#8217;t have another speck of control over us no matter who the president is.</p>
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		<title>By: MinD</title>
		<link>http://ignoranthistorian.com/2009/09/when-the-government-becomes-the-parent/comment-page-1/#comment-11933</link>
		<dc:creator>MinD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your parents did a great job providing you with more than just school offered. More parents should be like that. If all parents realized that kids need more than just what the education system provides, then perhaps it wouldn&#039;t lead to the possiblity of longer school days or years. However, and unfortunately, many - dare I say most? - parents don&#039;t step up that way. They leave the education of their children solely to the schools. So as children grow up, if the government believes kids are not receiving all of the knowledge they should by graduation, I believe it&#039;s perfectly in their right to amend the system.

It&#039;s a public school system. It receives government money, tax money, etc. And my opinion is that if parents have such an issue with their children remaining in school longer - be it days or just hours - then they can home school or enroll their child in private education. I realize some parents may not have the means to do that. But if people are going to complain about the public school system, they should do whatever possible to remove their children from those environments. Or, simply put, they should deal with the stipulations set by the government who, in essence, runs the entire public school system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your parents did a great job providing you with more than just school offered. More parents should be like that. If all parents realized that kids need more than just what the education system provides, then perhaps it wouldn&#8217;t lead to the possiblity of longer school days or years. However, and unfortunately, many &#8211; dare I say most? &#8211; parents don&#8217;t step up that way. They leave the education of their children solely to the schools. So as children grow up, if the government believes kids are not receiving all of the knowledge they should by graduation, I believe it&#8217;s perfectly in their right to amend the system.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a public school system. It receives government money, tax money, etc. And my opinion is that if parents have such an issue with their children remaining in school longer &#8211; be it days or just hours &#8211; then they can home school or enroll their child in private education. I realize some parents may not have the means to do that. But if people are going to complain about the public school system, they should do whatever possible to remove their children from those environments. Or, simply put, they should deal with the stipulations set by the government who, in essence, runs the entire public school system.</p>
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		<title>By: Katy</title>
		<link>http://ignoranthistorian.com/2009/09/when-the-government-becomes-the-parent/comment-page-1/#comment-11931</link>
		<dc:creator>Katy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, great post. I think your mother set a wonderful example! I hope to do similar things with my children one day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, great post. I think your mother set a wonderful example! I hope to do similar things with my children one day.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with most of what was said already, but I will add one additional thing.  I think a lot of our educational difficulties could be resolved not by longer days/more education, but by reinstating different forms of discipline into the schools.  If the parents aren&#039;t going to discipline their children, they should at least know that their kids will be disciplined at school.  Seriously, I think it&#039;s a HUGE problem.  My mom spends much of her time attending to discipline problems.  I think children would get more out of what they are presented at school if they a)weren&#039;t distracted by other children acting out b)weren&#039;t acting out themselves and c)were aware that there would be consequences (consequences that would really affect them) for their actions.  Right now, kids no that the teachers can&#039;t really do much to them.  When I was in school we got spanked as discipline.  Honestly?  I&#039;m all for it now as well...but that&#039;s another controversial topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with most of what was said already, but I will add one additional thing.  I think a lot of our educational difficulties could be resolved not by longer days/more education, but by reinstating different forms of discipline into the schools.  If the parents aren&#8217;t going to discipline their children, they should at least know that their kids will be disciplined at school.  Seriously, I think it&#8217;s a HUGE problem.  My mom spends much of her time attending to discipline problems.  I think children would get more out of what they are presented at school if they a)weren&#8217;t distracted by other children acting out b)weren&#8217;t acting out themselves and c)were aware that there would be consequences (consequences that would really affect them) for their actions.  Right now, kids no that the teachers can&#8217;t really do much to them.  When I was in school we got spanked as discipline.  Honestly?  I&#8217;m all for it now as well&#8230;but that&#8217;s another controversial topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Lady Fi</title>
		<link>http://ignoranthistorian.com/2009/09/when-the-government-becomes-the-parent/comment-page-1/#comment-11921</link>
		<dc:creator>Lady Fi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 16:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>School has a role and responsibility to play.. but so do parents. All too many parents want school to do stuff that parents should do - whether it is disciplining, stimulating kids, educating. Parents have the ultimate responsibility for their kids.

Very interesting post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>School has a role and responsibility to play.. but so do parents. All too many parents want school to do stuff that parents should do &#8211; whether it is disciplining, stimulating kids, educating. Parents have the ultimate responsibility for their kids.</p>
<p>Very interesting post!</p>
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		<title>By: Ronnica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronnica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jacki (and others): Exactly.  Quantity is not quality.  And teaching the test is what our schools have been improving it, yet our students aren&#039;t really doing better.

Amanda: I don&#039;t think it&#039;s unrealistic for the federal government to step out of the education business.  They haven&#039;t even been in it very long.  It wouldn&#039;t be fast process, sure, but it could be done.  They can reverse the trend and re-localize it, but I don&#039;t think they will.

Carrie: That interested me as well.  I get the idea of a longer school year and that&#039;s something to be considered, but I was very surprised at the mention of a longer school day.  Kids have a hard enough time getting in homework, time with the family, and extracurricular activities now...they&#039;d be exhausted if they lengthen their day!  Though I know this is a false, slippery slope argument, I can&#039;t help but imagining a Giver-like society (or another, worse one) where kids are entirely controlled/brain-washed by the government.

Valentine: Definitely.  Though I think a longer/non-traditional school calendar should be up for discussion, it should be done in the local communities.

WhatACard: I agree that a longer school year should be discussed.  Or at least a non-traditional schedule.  We have a lot of year-round schools around here, and by and large, the children/parents who go there like the schedule.  I think that when we unreasonably marry ourselves to an antiquated system, we prove ourselves fools. (That&#039;s not to say that there aren&#039;t legitimate reasons why someone might prefer a traditional calendar, but the argument that this is the way it&#039;s supposed to be just don&#039;t cut it.)

Vicki: I agree. And I love the year-round format!  If/when I become a teacher, I hope I get a year-round schedule!

Amanda: Something that might address the issue you raised that hasn&#039;t been brought up so far is school choice.  While I don&#039;t think it&#039;s THE answer, I think something can be said for allowing parents to have a choice in what school their school goes to (via vouchers), so that it forces public schools to compete to earn the money they get.  Certainly not an easy solution, but it should be on the table, at least.

Ari: I find it interesting how quickly those who were against No Child Left Behind forget it when advocating for further government involvement.  I don&#039;t care if it&#039;s a Republican or a Democrat in the Oval Office, federal government shouldn&#039;t stick their nose into local/state issues other than to provide encouragement.

Camile: I&#039;ll never forget the first time a parent said to me, &quot;Thanks for letting me know that Suzie was misbehaving, if it happens again she&#039;ll receive punishment.&quot;  I felt like the parents didn&#039;t trust me to tell them the truth about their child&#039;s utter misbehavior!  I know that the parents I deal with are much more strict on this issue than the average, so I can&#039;t imagine how many times you&#039;ve had to fight both the student and the parent!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacki (and others): Exactly.  Quantity is not quality.  And teaching the test is what our schools have been improving it, yet our students aren&#8217;t really doing better.</p>
<p>Amanda: I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s unrealistic for the federal government to step out of the education business.  They haven&#8217;t even been in it very long.  It wouldn&#8217;t be fast process, sure, but it could be done.  They can reverse the trend and re-localize it, but I don&#8217;t think they will.</p>
<p>Carrie: That interested me as well.  I get the idea of a longer school year and that&#8217;s something to be considered, but I was very surprised at the mention of a longer school day.  Kids have a hard enough time getting in homework, time with the family, and extracurricular activities now&#8230;they&#8217;d be exhausted if they lengthen their day!  Though I know this is a false, slippery slope argument, I can&#8217;t help but imagining a Giver-like society (or another, worse one) where kids are entirely controlled/brain-washed by the government.</p>
<p>Valentine: Definitely.  Though I think a longer/non-traditional school calendar should be up for discussion, it should be done in the local communities.</p>
<p>WhatACard: I agree that a longer school year should be discussed.  Or at least a non-traditional schedule.  We have a lot of year-round schools around here, and by and large, the children/parents who go there like the schedule.  I think that when we unreasonably marry ourselves to an antiquated system, we prove ourselves fools. (That&#8217;s not to say that there aren&#8217;t legitimate reasons why someone might prefer a traditional calendar, but the argument that this is the way it&#8217;s supposed to be just don&#8217;t cut it.)</p>
<p>Vicki: I agree. And I love the year-round format!  If/when I become a teacher, I hope I get a year-round schedule!</p>
<p>Amanda: Something that might address the issue you raised that hasn&#8217;t been brought up so far is school choice.  While I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s THE answer, I think something can be said for allowing parents to have a choice in what school their school goes to (via vouchers), so that it forces public schools to compete to earn the money they get.  Certainly not an easy solution, but it should be on the table, at least.</p>
<p>Ari: I find it interesting how quickly those who were against No Child Left Behind forget it when advocating for further government involvement.  I don&#8217;t care if it&#8217;s a Republican or a Democrat in the Oval Office, federal government shouldn&#8217;t stick their nose into local/state issues other than to provide encouragement.</p>
<p>Camile: I&#8217;ll never forget the first time a parent said to me, &#8220;Thanks for letting me know that Suzie was misbehaving, if it happens again she&#8217;ll receive punishment.&#8221;  I felt like the parents didn&#8217;t trust me to tell them the truth about their child&#8217;s utter misbehavior!  I know that the parents I deal with are much more strict on this issue than the average, so I can&#8217;t imagine how many times you&#8217;ve had to fight both the student and the parent!</p>
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		<title>By: GZoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>GZoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, FGD, you certainly opened a can of worms today...lots of thought.  I, too, am thankful you had parents who read, encouraged you daily.  I was so shocked when I volunteered at a school to help with the reading program.  Why do fifth graders not know how to read???   This really saddens me, and then asking a student about school, reading, favorite things to do...the answer was &quot;sit in front of the tv&quot;.   I am thankful I am the age I am...my heart achess for all these children.  QUALITY, NOT QUANTITY...both at school...and at home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, FGD, you certainly opened a can of worms today&#8230;lots of thought.  I, too, am thankful you had parents who read, encouraged you daily.  I was so shocked when I volunteered at a school to help with the reading program.  Why do fifth graders not know how to read???   This really saddens me, and then asking a student about school, reading, favorite things to do&#8230;the answer was &#8220;sit in front of the tv&#8221;.   I am thankful I am the age I am&#8230;my heart achess for all these children.  QUALITY, NOT QUANTITY&#8230;both at school&#8230;and at home.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 03:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, this topic really gets people talking (or typing I suppose). This is a really touchy issue as there are benifits to having federal government involved in education and benifits to having state government involved in education. In Canada, education is the responsibility of the provinces (with a few exceptions, such as aboriginal education). Strangely enough, we have people advocating to move this responsiblity to the federal level. Moving the responsibliity to the federal level means that the cirriculum would be standardized across the country which will make it easier for students moving from one province to another adjust. The problem is that each province is unique and it would be difficult for the federal govenerment to create and education system that works for the entire country...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, this topic really gets people talking (or typing I suppose). This is a really touchy issue as there are benifits to having federal government involved in education and benifits to having state government involved in education. In Canada, education is the responsibility of the provinces (with a few exceptions, such as aboriginal education). Strangely enough, we have people advocating to move this responsiblity to the federal level. Moving the responsibliity to the federal level means that the cirriculum would be standardized across the country which will make it easier for students moving from one province to another adjust. The problem is that each province is unique and it would be difficult for the federal govenerment to create and education system that works for the entire country&#8230;</p>
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